The crystal space download is a lot smaller then the download for MingW.  And for the Microsoft Visual C++ thing, I was able to download the main part of the express edition but then i figured out that I had to download another thing for the Microsoft to make it work and the download for that is huge, about 200 or something like that Mega Bites.

If it doesn't work the first time, how would it work a secound time?  It's like the phrase someone once said,     "if at first you don't succeed, quit stupid."  So I would just try to raise up a bunch of money and but a game engine that I could atleast be able to start.

So basically, I can't win?

My internet would stop before it would all download, maybe i should try a different engine.

I installed the minimal MinGW because I have dial up and I would not be able to download the full for that reason.  Also, i installed the msys llike i was supposed to, or i think as i was supposed to.  You know, it has the DOS black screen with a few question and you have to input your answers.

Okay, bad news, that didn't work,    do you think that i might need to try downgrading to a less recent MinGW?

that could be it, now that i think about it, i installed the latest realease of minGW like the 5.0.0   or something like that, but my dad who isn't that great with computers and can't really understand much closed out of it with the x on the screen but it is there on the program list, but i will try reinstalling the whole thing and get back to you,    and thanks jorrit, your now my friend.

sorry, the last thing didn't get all of it,  the real is as follows:

Owner@YOUR-8136243806 /c/work/CS
$ ./configure
checking build system type... i686-pc-mingw32
checking host system type... i686-pc-mingw32
checking for gcc... gcc
checking for C compiler default output file name... a.exe
checking whether the C compiler works... yes
checking whether we are cross compiling... no
checking for suffix of executables... .exe
checking for suffix of object files... o
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C... none needed
checking for g++... no
checking for c++... no
checking for gpp... no
checking for aCC... no
checking for CC... no
checking for cxx... no
checking for cc++... no
checking for cl... no
checking for FCC... no
checking for KCC... no
checking for RCC... no
checking for xlC_r... no
checking for xlC... no
checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... no
checking whether g++ accepts -g... no
checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
See `config.log' for more details.

Okay, i seemed to have gotten the copy and paste to work, now what it says is as follows:


Owner@YOUR-8136243806 /c/work/CS
$ ./configure
checking build system type... i686-pc-mingw32
checking host system type... i686-pc-mingw32
checking for gcc... gcc
checking for C compiler default output file name... a.exe
checking whether the C compiler works... yes
checking whether we are cross compiling... no
checking for suffix of executables... .exe
checking for suffix of object files... o
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C... none needed
checking for g++... no
checking for c++... no
checking for gpp... no
checking for aCC... no
checking for CC... no
checking for cxx... no
checking for cc++... no
checking for cl... no
checking for FCC... no
checking for KCC... no
checking for RCC... no
checking for xlC_r... no
checking for xlC... no
checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... no
checking whet

Well, I want to make games as you would probably expect.  I know I may seem like a real tard when it comes to coding right now, but i will learn, so please don't give up on me yet.  I would like to continue to try to make a game and I don't have much money so it has to be free, if you could still think of something, i would greatly appreciate it.

what do you mean by the complete output of the configure?  I can't seem to copy and paste any of it.

okay, i type the    make -k all    and it says     make: *** No rule to make target 'all' .

then I try it with   make -k   and it says   make: No targets specified and no makefile found.    Stop.

I also try with make     and    make all and i just get simular messages.


If you could get me going from there, i would be very thankful.

i didn't download it, but from what i can see, that looks really cool.

Okay, that helped a little bit, but now i ran into another thing, when I type ./configure  i found out that it thinks after that thanks to you, but when i type in make -k all, it gives me an error message, could you help me figure that out now?

Okay, I tried Windows Visual C++ but the downloads are enormous for someone who has dial up.  So I went on to the MInGW/MSYS route to building Crystal Space.  As you could tell from the title of this, I can't seem to get it right even when I go word for word from the manual.

When I open MSYS icon, i get the window.  Then I am told by the manual to type the directory as cd /work/CS which works but I am not quite sure if i am supposed to press enter here. (I had to move the CS directory to get this far)   Then the manual says to type

./configure
make -k all

I don't know how to do this supprisingly.  I don't know if I am supposed to press enter after configure to make it go line to line and when i do and type make,   I can't do the   -k all part of it because it starts thinking like mad before i could type it.  If anyone could help, i am using the latest version of MinGW/MSYS and the Pesudos Stable Version of CS.        Thanks in advance.